The Presiding Bishop of the Divine Seed of God Chapel, Prophet Wale Olagunju, has said that Nigeria would break up and that not even President Muhammadu Buhari could stop it. He recently made this assertion in a chat with our reporter in Ibadan. Excerpts:
The COVID-19 Pandemic has caused a lot of changes in many systems in the world. What effects do you think it has on the church, especially where churches have been unable to open and hold normal services?
I have been saying it since four years ago that America and Europe have become the warehouses of sins. They are no longer worshipping God. What do you expect God to do in such a circumstance? It is to pronounce His judgment. Coronavirus is a judgment from the Almighty God against those who refuse to worship Him. You will discover that this thing came from China.
We cannot blame the Government so much. If we have been living a consistently holy life according to what is written in the scripture, you know the government has no right to shut down the church. The church is not the property of any government; it belongs to God. Although, the leg of the church is on this planet, earth but the head is in heaven.
During the time of Oritsejafor as the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) President, they allowed Corruption to creep into the church. That is why the government is maltreating the church today. Not until we separate religion from politics, things would continue like this. It is the government that now dictates the pace for the church. I am not supporting the total shutdown of the church.
The government gave a rule that the church could hold service, but not more than 10 persons and some people have supported that with the word of Jesus that “where two or three persons are gathered in my name, I will be with them”. Isn’t it fair enough that religious gatherings should be limited to 10 persons to prevent the spread of the virus?
It is the Christian Association of Nigeria executive that is supporting the government. What I am saying is that if we had separated our religion from politics, it wouldn’t have been like this. The Christians of our time are so corrupt and it is the corruption that is bringing out these things. That is why they are now dictating the pace for us. What do you expect from the government? You know there was a time they wanted to retire all the G.Os because of their attitude. The Buhari government detected that Christians of our time are too corrupt. There is corruption in the church and that is why they are doing that to us.
The current CAN executives don’t know what they are doing.
You described the virus as God’s judgment for the sins of the Europeans and Americans, but some people believe that the virus came from a laboratory in China as a weapon to take over the world trade from the United States.
So why is it killing people like that in America, China, Italy and Spain and all over the world?
It is a judgment from God against those who refused to worship Him. Forget about those who are saying that.
One thing people watch out for are your prophecies; Ondo and Edo States are in their election year. Meanwhile, Governor Obaseki and his godfather, Adams Oshiomole, are fighting. Will Governor Obaseki return or will Pastor Ize-Iyamu become the Governor of Edo State? What has God revealed?
I usually prophesy ahead of events. The issue of Ondo and Edo State elections is in my 2020 prophecy. That of Edo, I recollect vividly that the Lord told me that Obaseki and Oshiomole would fight because Oshiomole stage-managed the election for Obaseki, so what do you expect? What is happening is the result of their sins against God Almighty. But in my prophecy, I told Obaseki that if he defected to another party, he would fail. Ize-Iyamu is the candidate to beat. I don’t know how Obaseki would win the election because the election that produced him was stage-managed. They manipulated the election against Ize-Iyamu. You see how God is doing things. The same Ize-Iyamu whom they blackmailed is the one they are bringing on board again. So, Ize-Iyamu is the next governor.
Coming to that of Ondo, as I said, it is an election before election. If the PDP should come together and produce Eyitayo (Jegede), they will try. But as it is, I am afraid Akeredolu is on his way to a second term because the PDP is not united. They are not serious. They are just fighting over zoning and Akeredolu is looking at where to hit them. Just like when I said the Governor in Kogi would win, some people said no, but the man is there now.
But Akeredolu seems to be having issues from members of his party group, some of who are already warming up.
Did Yahaya Bello not have issues? He had had problems with the party, he had problems with the executive and he had problems with the electorate. Eventually, they imposed him on them. Akeredolu will be imposed on them. It is an election before election. PDP is not a serious party. All they are after is money and you will discover that cheaply, Akeredolu will win again. Mark it.
The Buhari administration marked another year recently. In your assessment, how would you rate its…
(Cuts in) I don’t need any assessment, Buhari is a bad investment. You know in my 2016 prophecy, the Lord revealed to me that tribalism, nepotism, religious sentiments will destroy the government. I warned him. Look at what we are witnessing today.
Let’s put it this way, the majority of the appointments belong to the Northerners. What can we say about that? Are Igbo not part of Nigeria? Are Yoruba not part of Nigeria? When did we become slaves in our own country? I keep telling people that I am not praying that Igbo and Yoruba should become Lazarus, eating crumbs under the Fulanis table.
Buhari is not a true Nigerian. He is behaving like a racist. Abba Kyari died, why didn’t he put an Igbo man there as Chief of Staff? He is a total failure.
In one of your prophecies in 2003, you said Nigeria would break into about five different nations. Are we on the way to that break-up?
Certainly yes. Nigeria will break and not even millions of Buhari can stop that. And let me tell you, Buhari will be the last ex-military leader that will rule over united Nigeria. And if care is not taken there will be no election in 2023.
In my 2016 prophecy, the Lord revealed to me that those cabals that are holding Nigeria hostage will all die and then a new generation of leaders will emerge. Certainly, Nigeria will break up and if you want to know the year this thing will come up, let us wait for 2021 prophecy.
How do we quantify this? The Igbos have no say in the affairs of Nigeria, the Yorubas have become Zombie. Hausas are preferred when it comes to appointments. For how long would we continue eating crumbs under the Fulanis table? I believe in one thing, our God is not partial. Look at what is happening now, lots of Yoruba and Igbo graduates are out there looking for jobs and they are not getting it, but Hausa with unauthenticated certificates would get jobs and become bosses. The cheating is clear, they were cheating and killing the Igbos. So, Nigeria will break up very soon. The break up is imminent.
How soon do you think it would happen?
Let’s wait till 2021. It is in my prophecy that will come out in 2021. God has just revealed that to me. I don’t expect Yoruba graduates to be sweeping the streets. It is uncalled for. We have passed that stage of saying we want to restructure. What are we restructuring? I am in support of a total break up.
In 2017, I met one ex-President. When he saw my prophecy that Nigeria would break up, I was invited and we discussed at length. He asked why I wanted Nigeria to break and I said that was what God told me. You will discover that before the 2019 General Elections they were talking about restructuring. But the cabal scuttled everything, so we are no longer talking about restructuring.
We are not talking about restructuring again, it is a total break up. I am supporting the break up of Nigeria. It is not a must that Nigeria should have a population of 300 million. What are we going to do with 300 million people? Nigeria is big for nothing.
So, it may not be wrong to infer that the Amotekun Squad being put in place in the South West is like the emergence of the People of Biafra?
One may not really be able to say what they are really after. What I know is that as far back as 2002, God had revealed to me that Nigeria will break and it is on the verge of breaking up now. In my 2002 prophecy, God revealed to me then that the man who will lead Igbos to the Promised Land is abroad and that is Nnamdi Kanu. A new generation of leaders will emerge very soon who will break up Nigeria. They will take over from this Baba with ease.
One of the greatest mistakes Awolowo made was not allowing the Igbos to go. As much as I loved Awolowo, he made that mistake; he should have allowed Igbos and Yorubas to go their separate ways. And look at ex-President Goodluck Jonathan, he set up a confab, spent a lot of money and was celebrating 100 Years of incompatibility. Instead of him to restructure Nigeria, he went ahead and said he was celebrating. Many people were just praising Jonathan, a man that put us into a problem. They would have settled everything by now.
You prophesied the emergence of Governor Seyi Makinde. He has celebrated the first 365 days as Governor. Would you say he has been able to match what you prophesied?
Well, in terms of paying workers’ salaries, the man really tried. And in terms of security of the state, the man really tried, but looking at my prophecy for 2020, it was stated clearly that the man will have problems. He will have problems with the elite in the state except he prays.
But so far, the elites seem to be in support of his government.
Let’s wait. As I said, everything that will happen to him is in my 2020 prophecy. If they like they should take heed if they like they should, just leave it.
In the United States, Donald Trump will face election in a few months…
(Cuts in…) It is in my 2020 prophecy. In that prophecy, there are two things about the United States; Donald Trump would not be impeached and that he will go ahead and win the election. One has come to pass, it remains the second one, let’s wait.
But things don’t seem to be working in his favour?
The way God works differs from the way humans do. Let’s wait and see what God will do. In the end, God will come in and save the head of the man. Donald Trump will win.
The Divine Seed of God Chapel is wearing a new look, what is going on?
I have been managing the ministry, really I need money but I don’t need just any money. The Church is wearing a new look, yes, we give glory to God Almighty. We were planning to launch the ministry. You will see that we have sunk a borehole, if not for that, we would have finished the auditorium. We know that one of the biggest problems faced by people in this community is water. So, we decided to look for those who will assist us. Let me say 70% of the funds for the borehole came directly from Primate Ayodele.
He came to me some time ago and I told him what I had in mind. So 70% of the fund came from him. And I thank God for him. What we have in mind is when we have completed the project, we will invite him to come and commission it. So we still need some money to complete it. Before the year runs out, I plan to launch my ministry in a big way.
You have been in the Ministry for some decades, you are known in Nigeria and outside; so by launching your ministry, what is about to change?
We want to go out and launch the National Repentance Crusade. I am a revivalist, an evangelist and a prophet. I want to move from one state to another; that is part of the crusade. I want to have my television and radio programmes. We have been like this for some years, for the past 20 years, I have not slept on a bed, I have been moving from one mountain to the other. God has deposited something in me and it is those things that I want to exhibit to the whole world. We want to launch the ministry in a big way.
This interview was conducted before the partial lift on Church and Mosque services.